Blog post 10/4

In this class, we have yet to discuss the nationalistic impulse of the protest song. In one sentence, summarize Dr. Adams’s stance on the relationship between nation and punk music. In the following paragraph, tell me if you agree, disagree, or agree and disagree with her argument, basing your response on the punk songs that you will have listened to for class today.

15 comments on “Blog post 10/4

  1. Rafe Mosetick says:

    Dr. Adams argues that Punk music creates an identity for the listeners which brings the nation together. I agree with what Dr. Adams said since like the article said punk songs often discussed working class issues. Dead Kennedy sings, “your boss getting richer off you”(line 25). Also, in the article it said that post-war generation wanted a “war” to find out who they are, but instead they used punk as outlet for their frustration. One can see this in the language and the aggression used these two songs. Although, in the song by the Clash the voices weren’t angry they were very sarcastic. For example they say ,”Spanish bombs, yo te quiero infinito.” This is obvious not their actually opinion, but instead a jab at war. Punk artists were able to use these issues to embody the disdain shared by the nation to bring it together.

  2. Z says:

    Dr. Adams stance on the relationship between nation and punk music is that punk music contributes to the national unity. However, I agree and disagree with this stance. In the song “The KKK Took My Baby Away”, the mood that the song expresses is actually sad and hopeless. Furthermore, the lyrics of the song introduced a sensitive topics that will draw attention from the public. Since people feel distrustful to the past and fearful to the future, this type of song seemed to introduce a empathy among these people. Therefore, although people from the country are brought together by the song, it is probably due to the radical and chaotic sentiment that the song provides rather than the national empathy.

  3. Aamina Ahmad says:

    In “The Englishness of English Punk: Sex Pistols, Subculture and Nostalgia,” Adams explains that the relationship between punk music and the nation is that punk music symbolized the nation and provided a sense of “identity and belonging” for people during a time of frustration (476).
    I agree with Adams’s stance in that punk music provides a sense of belonging for people. In “Holiday in Cambodia,” The Dead Kennedys oddly enough unite people by singling them out. In a situation like this, people either identify with one side – adapting to a foreign place – or the other – being annoyed by foreigners who think they know everything. By identifying with one side of the scenario, the song can makes its listeners feel less alone and can give them a sense of belonging. The song also describes a situation going on in the nation and in that way symbolizes it.

  4. Monica Poleway says:

    Dr. Adams argues the point that Punk music allows the listener to create there identity which all together brings a nation together as a whole. I agree with Dr. Adam’s argument, he believe that the post-war generation was looking for a way to define themselves. As the time where clearly changing and the social, political and cultural aspects of the time was changing the younger generation was trying to create a place in history. During the war, Adam’s references that there was a defined split in who people were friends with and who people weren’t friends with. After the war this split was not defined, Adam’s believes that the Punk music was a way for the younger generations to find that split. Also the language in the music had no meaning to the generation it was just a way to unite themselves as a culture and country.

  5. Dalila Vazquez says:

    In the reading “The Englishness of English Punk: Sex Pistols, Subcultures, and Nostalgia”, Dr. Adams describes that punk music provided a nation with a “sense of identity and belonging” contrary to the nation portrayed by the Establishment. I agree with Dr. Adams because punk music gave hope to the people who didn’t like some aspect of their society and it connected them with other people who felt the same way. For instance, in the song “Holiday in Cambodia” the rich people are being criticized giving more preference to common people. This is also described in the reading in the following lines: “Punk could be argued to be a reframing of national identity in the image of (certain elements of) the working classes, rather than that of the ruling classes.” So this particular song gives a “sense of identity and belonging” to non-wealthy people.

  6. Jen Chung says:

    Throughout the article, “The Englishness of English Punk: Sex Pistols, Subcultures, and Nostalgia,” Dr. Adams reiterates time and time again that punk music gave England a sense of culture and existence. However, I disagree with Dr. Adams because the intentions most punk artists were not for this purpose. Listening to both “Holiday in Cambodia” and “Spanish Bombs,” I did not feel an overwhelming sense of British culture. Although part of that may be due to my lack of knowledge in the particular field, my research of the two songs indicate otherwise. For example, The Dead Kennedys first started in San Francisco, California and the song “Holiday in Cambodia” belittles American and Cambodian culture. If the British were to apply this to their own culture, they would have to have reinvented the meaning of the lyrics to distort the original intent. Surely, The Dead Kennedys did not mean for their songs to be particularly popularized in England.

  7. Robbie Katz says:

    In the article “The Englishness of English Punk: Sex Pistols, Subcultures, and Nostalgia” Dr. Adams expresses the idea that the punk genre is meant to bring people together by giving them a sense of identity through the music. I disagree with this view because punk music does not seem as if its goal is to speak to a large mass of people. Both the song “Holiday in Cambodia” as well as “The KKK Took My Baby Away” speak on very touching subjects but ones that only apply to a very specific group of people who can relate to them. These do not sound like songs that are mean to bring together the British Nation. I do in fact feel that the genre does unite a certain group of people, but does not reach as broad of a spectrum that Dr. Adams argues it does.

  8. Haoyue Ma says:

    Dr. Adams’s opinion is that Punk music contributes to the national unity at a time of confusion. I agree with this opinion because Punk music does express and share people’s feelings through the power of music, which can bring the people with similar thoughts together. In “holiday in Cambodia”, people are united by singing the song out loud together. People living in the post war period were very frustrated of the past and worried about the future. They are lost and confused about who they really were. So punk music, with its aggressive language and blunt frustration-expression, became an outlet for their anger, and a path to discover their inner self. It does indeed brought the nation together by providing a mutual outlet and empathy for the people.

  9. Will Adams says:

    In “The Englishness of English Punk: Sex Pistols, Subcultures, and Nostalgia,” Doctor Adams argues that punk formed a “quasi-nation,” which gave the people a direction and a sense of unity in their lives. After listening to the songs of the day, I agree with Doctor Adams’ projection, involving punk and national unity. In “Holiday in Cambodia,” The Dead Kennedys utilize punk in order to unite the Cambodian people against the evil dictator, Pol Pot. Similarly, Spain allied together against the unjust bombings in Andalucia, as explained in “Spanish Bombs.” Both songs had an upbeat vibration and a strong timbre, which sparked strong feelings inside the citizens, who witnessed these horrible events.

  10. danmann7 says:

    Dr. Adams believes that Punk music created an identity that the British could be proud of that didn’t include violence or the subjugation of people that events like wars did. While I do agree that Punk music is a better identity than war since it is a lot less violent, punk music as a whole is a major symbol of rebellion, and as such I don’t think it serves as a good identity. Most punk music satirically tackles dark or rebellious themes. “Holiday in Cambodia” is a depressing song contrasting the American lifestyle “So you been to school/for a year or two/And you know you’ve seen it all/ In daddy’s car” with the terrible life under Pol Pot’s regime in Cambodia “Well you’ll work harder/with a gun in your back/For a bowl of rice a day/Slave for soldiers.” Spanish Bombs is another example of this hidden depression within the satire. It has an upbeat tone but sings about bombs and dying people, “With trenches full of poets/The ragged army, fixin’ bayonets to fight the other side.” This satirical dark rebellion was necessary to make changes in the nation and government but would not act as a good identity for the nation in crisis, as it could lead to widespread rebellion and chaos.

  11. Naeem says:

    Dr. Adams argues that the genre on Punk music was a “subculture constructed through a process of collage” and a means to bring our entire chaotic nation together in unity, giving Americans a sense of their own identity. I agree with Adams’s argument that punk music did, in fact, create a sense of identity and unity within the Americans. Clash’s song “Spanish Bomb” talks about the “shooting sites in the days of ’39,” bringing historic and cultural aspects into the song, creating a sense of unity. Similarly, “Holiday in Cambodia” by Dead Kennedy talks about the cultural aspects of life in Cambodia, creating a collage with his punk music that brings in a sense of unity and identity to the community.

  12. yhua224 says:

    In the article, Dr. Admams argues that punk music allows people to create their personal identity and somehow bring the unity to the nation as a whole. While I somehow agree that punk music tend to lead people together for its universal appeal, I do think it relates to some aspects that break people apart. Like the song “The KKK Took My Baby Away”, the mood of the song is really helplessness and sad and it talks about controversial issues at that time. So instead of bringing national unitary, I think it will somehow result to chaotic social problems and begin controversy.

  13. Abby says:

    Adams describes punk as something not used to segregate by race or lower status, but used to represent “broader trends within national heritage’(476). The images between working class and ruling class were not so black and white, but rather one could see a “local scene alongside the city capital”(476). The different parts of society were mixed together and seemed to accept all. However, in listening to the song “The KKK Took My Baby Away”, the song contradicts Adams’ point. I don’t agree that punk was used to bring together others, because there was clearly harsh hatred towards a different group of people. The Ramones wrote the protest song to show the disparity between two groups while Adams suggested that punk is inclusive.

  14. Melody Carter says:

    Adams describes the relationship between punk and the nation by stating that punk music gives the nation a “sense of identity and belonging.” I agree with this argument because punk music was popular for artists to right about issues throughout the country. It was their way of rebelling without actually rebelling. Punk music allowed for the artists to portray their opinions in their own creative way. It also brought together the people who agreed with what the artists were writing and singing about, and it brought together people who were just fond of the music. Either way, punk music brought the nation together to take a stand on the issues which were important to them.

  15. chenxiyu says:

    In “The Englishness of English Punk: Sex Pistols, Subculture and Nostalgia,” Adams describes that the relationship between punk music and the nation. And punk music encourage people to make their own sense if identity and belonging. I absolutely agree with argument which Dr.Admas provide because this type of music was very popular during that period. Artists were free to give their own express to talk about controversial topic for the country. In the listening to the song “The KKK Took My Baby Away”, the song actually derived meaning of Admas’s opinions. Furthermore, I do agree that punk music can bring people together. So I think it will indirect reflects social unrest.

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